October 01, 2004

Debate One

Here's my debate reaction. I'm in camp that feels not much changed, which makes it a default in Bush's favor. (This, by the way, was my immediate instinct before reading anyone else's commentary.)

Posted by John Tabin at October 1, 2004 12:09 PM
Comments

Every one said John Kerry won the debate, you can not beat the whole world who supported Kerry, so you were wrong in your assessment. Do you want another 4 years of military wasting their life in Iraq? The gas was 99 Cents five years ago, today the gas is not $2.00. Inflation is high, jobless claim is high, homeless is high, so what is your problem? tell me, everyone saying this guy is not doing well; you are supported him.

Posted by: akinola at October 1, 2004 05:42 PM

Bush won the after debate "what people remember part." I use a friend at work who does not follow politics at all (he is a typical swing voter.)

The thing he remembered was "the only thing Kerry is consistent about is inconsistency"

Lines like these is what America will remember.

RObert Petruic

Posted by: Robert Petruic at October 2, 2004 01:28 PM

No, Bush lost. He just lost. Sorry.

Posted by: Aoueu at October 2, 2004 06:21 PM

It looks like Kerry did win. According to the new Newsweek poll, Kerry erased Bush's general lead and gained parity on national security issues.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6159637/site/newsweek/

Bush is trying to make the story of the debate "the global test," and apparently reporters have caught on to that and are asking Kerry about it. But Kerry was pretty clear about "the global test" being credibility, not a veto pen for Dominque Villepin. They've released a tough ad on the subject and I'm sure Edwards will tear into it on Tuesday.

And if you follow the Saturday Night Live test, they were brutal on Bush and mushy on Kerry. The Kerry jokes poked at his hand gestures and pandering. But Will Forte, playing Bush, looked around and whined about what a "hard job" he had.

Posted by: Dave Weigel at October 3, 2004 03:18 AM

I don't see what so hard to figure out. Political views aside - that was Bush's worst public appearance yet. Maybe he still win the election - but that was a pretty bad debate performance...

Posted by: JEff at October 3, 2004 04:15 AM

I don't put much stock in the far-too-swingy Newsweek poll; it looks like it oversamples Democrats, just as it oversampled Republicans after the NYC convention. Other polls are showing at most a net 2% swing toward Kerry, which is in line with my post-debate argument. That's not to say that Kerry's spin-war victory isn't moving things a bit more than that, but lets not get carried away.

Posted by: John Tabin at October 3, 2004 01:54 PM

That's well and fine - but you don't really need to look at newsweek polls to figure out what happened. That was an intellectual beat-down if I ever saw one...

Posted by: Jeff at October 4, 2004 02:43 AM

Joe Lockhardt was caught with a live mike calling the debate a draw. You people who think Kerry creamed Bush were clearly not paying attention. Kerry repeatedly put his neck on the chopping block-he was very lucky that Bush did not roll his little wooden head into the basket.

John Tabin is 100% right; Kerry needed a knockout and the best he got was a draw. The Dems and their media partners have tried to spin this for the cheater, and have made a small amount of headway, but in the end this debate will go the way of the Etzel. All Bush needed to do was not lose badly, and that is precisely how it went.

Oh, by the way, it WOULD BE a big deal if Bush were caught on tape sneaking a cheat-sheet out of his suit coat. Why the yawn from our valiant friends in the media? Media bias?

Posted by: Tim Birdnow at October 5, 2004 07:24 PM